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Living the Vision
Fixed. Bastie 18:01, 19 August 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Who says this is the longest written work in English?

Charles Matthews 15:53, 5 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Time of Troubles[edit]

A section on what constitutes a "Time of Troubles" would be useful, especially since the term is used in the article more than once. I'll write it in myself, if and when I finish reading the books. GrubLord 14:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


The last lines complaining of Ghana being treated differently from Ireland and Scandinavia seem odd. The reason Toynbee considered these abortive civilazations is because they were so quickly absorbed into the Christian and Western world and had little opportunity to show what they could do independently. Ghana had 1,000-2,000 years to show the world what it could do. It was not aborted.

Ghana was aborted, as it was conquered by Moroccan Muslim invaders who established themselves at Tekrur. It was followed by the Muslim state of Mali. John D. Croft (talk) 20:57, 17 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Regardless, uncited evaluation isn't Wikipedia's business, and I've deleted the relevant sentence as original research. --Tyrannus Mundi (talk) 21:18, 10 May 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ethipia and Tibet????[edit]

In fact, Toynbee does mention Ethiopia (Abysinnia)and Tibet. But he considers them "living fossils" of civilisations which have disapeared. The first one would be a fossil of the Syriac civilisation (as other monosophistic Christians, such as those living in Egypt). The other one would be a fossil of one of Indian civilisation, as long as other Buddist societies, such us Mongolian Mahayanna Buddhists or Burma Hinayanna Buddhists. All this is stated in "A study of History, Volume 1" (July 2007)

Not a stub any more[edit]

I just thought I'd stop by to see how my stub was doing. --Uncle Ed (talk) 20:53, 8 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Can anyone help with citations for Criticism section?[edit]

I'm sure most of the criticisms in that section are valid, but they really need to be supported by citations. There is quite a bit of name-dropping there, so whoever wrote that should be able to find some works by those notable critics and put them in as citations.

Can anyone help with that? Otherwise, I think we'll need to pare that section down to what can be supported with citations. --Noleander (talk) 18:54, 2 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This expression needs a DAB page to distinguish the notion from that of Turing. --Ludvikus (talk) 09:09, 23 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've now edited the Caps - to conform to the WP Cap rule. But no one has yet created a Disambiguation page for the Toynbee notion. --Ludvikus (talk) 04:18, 29 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Western Christian Civilization has had several candidates for the Universal State -- the Spanish-Austrian Hapsburg Empire, Napoleonic France, the Soviet Union (in the name of World Socialist revolution), Nazi Germany, and now perhaps the United States.Pbrower2a (talk) 19:31, 5 July 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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In the Decay section this phrase compels the majority to obey without meriting obedience, in context to Toynbee's text is not necessarily true. A dominant minority can be an entrprenuerial class that had ceased being creative by ceasing to invent things which improve​ living standards. A dominant minority is not necessarily a political class ruling by dictates requiring obedience. It can be an economic class resting on laurels, no longer driving economic innovation, and living off its accumulated fortune.

This phrase needs either more context or to be removed. As is, it distorts Toynbee's meaning. For now, I'm going to remove it. Nobs01 (talk) 21:28, 11 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]